the second former prime minister gordon brown. >> has he appeared in your nightmares? >> his ears scare me and his record, both of those things so overwhelmingly frightening. did you see this about simpson-bowles, huge new effort, campaign to fix the debt founded by simpson and bowles thursday will announce a dramatic increase in its drive to mobilize corporate and grassroots support for congress to make tough choices on this. can we get them on? they raised 35 million since july. >> and dave cote is the leader of this group. they'll be ramping it up. they already have 80 s&p 500 ceos. i think we should open the platform. >> you know how to reach them. >> i'll e-mail dave right now. >> good. >>> the looming fiscal cliff in the u.s. not the only threat on the horizon. our next guest says -- you guys want to keep talking? >> you shouldn't get distracted from that. you're a pro. go ahead. >> just keep going, okay, i just want to make sure. >> wouldn't you like to get simpson and bowles? >> we can get them, absolutely should. let's just get to him, mark grant, got a lot of